What you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
What you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
What you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
What you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
The problem is not that the bowel is up in the chest. The problem is that there's been a growth arrest of the lungs. And just there's nothing miraculous about getting the bowel out of the chest.
The problem is not that the bowel is up in the chest. The problem is that there's been a growth arrest of the lungs. And just there's nothing miraculous about getting the bowel out of the chest.
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 1 · 2:13
quotethe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach↗
▶Ep 1 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies↗
▶Ep 1 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 1 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is typically made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart↗
▶Ep 1 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side↗
▶Ep 1 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation↗
▶Ep 1 · 4:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect; the most common neonatal comorbidity is foregut motility difficulty↗
▶Ep 1 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency but not a surgical emergency↗
▶Ep 1 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section; elective spontaneous vaginal delivery is recommended assuming no obstetric issues↗
▶Ep 1 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best↗
▶Ep 1 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability; maybe 10-15% will benefit from ECMO↗
▶Ep 1 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest or stomach in the chest is of no prognostic value↗
▶Ep 1 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8), where prognosis is concerning↗
▶Ep 1 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis↗
▶Ep 1 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers↗
▶Ep 1 · 10:13
quoteif you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 1 · 10:37
clinicalAntenatal steroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but most CDH babies are near-term (37-39 weeks) where steroid role is arguable↗
▶Ep 1 · 12:06
opinionExit to ECMO for CDH is nonsense; it moves the goalposts on almost certainly non-viable babies↗
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth↗
▶Ep 1 · 14:45
clinicalInitial evaluation of newborn with CDH includes looking for morphology, associated anomalies, respiratory distress, pre- and post-ductal oxygen gradients, and early cardiac echo for right heart function↗
▶Ep 1 · 15:55
clinicalNot every baby with CDH needs or is a candidate for ECMO; approximately 5% have insufficient lung to support life based on inability to saturate preductal blood↗
▶Ep 1 · 17:06
clinicalECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen; indication is when end organs aren't getting enough oxygen despite best care↗
▶Ep 1 · 17:44
clinicalThe best way to assess end-organ function is urine output↗
▶Ep 1 · 18:21
guidelineECMO indication is typically oxygenation index in excess of 40 for 4 hours or more↗
▶Ep 1 · 19:06
clinicalAll therapy is guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal; if preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 ~65 torr), the brain is doing fine with fetal hemoglobin↗
▶Ep 1 · 20:25
clinicalWhen managing dropping preductal saturation, first ensure adequate hemoglobin and circulating volume, then increase FiO2 or ventilator pressure, but avoid trying to control PCO2 as this will destroy the lungs↗
▶Ep 1 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today↗
▶Ep 1 · 21:56
clinicalCDH babies are not paralyzed during ventilation; minimal sedation is used and babies should be awake and breathing spontaneously↗
▶Ep 1 · 22:15
clinicalInitial conventional ventilator settings (IMV rate ~40, peak pressure 25-28, PEEP ~5) are not tolerated by most CDH babies↗
▶Ep 1 · 22:53
clinicalUnconventional ventilation mode for CDH uses high rate (100 breaths/min), low peak pressure (turned down to zero due to stacking), and high gas flow rate with permissive hypercapnia↗
▶Ep 1 · 24:30
quoteI often joke that when people say, how do you know when to set up an ECMO circuit with a diaphragmatic hernia, it's when they get out the oscillator.↗
▶Ep 1 · 24:30
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO; when they get out the oscillator, it's time to prime an ECMO circuit↗
▶Ep 1 · 25:45
opinionNitric oxide is a waste of money for CDH; it's terrific for premature babies with immature lung disease but of no value in CDH↗
quoteThe best drug for diaphragmatic hernia is oxygen.↗
▶Ep 1 · 26:22
clinicalECMO gestational age limit has been pushed from 36 weeks down to 35, maybe 34 weeks; below 32 weeks the intracranial hemorrhage rate takes off and neurologic outcomes become poor↗
▶Ep 1 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial cannula is about 8 French; getting adequate flow out of small cannulas is problematic due to resistance related to both length and diameter↗
▶Ep 1 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, it's the gestational age that matters for intracranial hemorrhage risk (germinal matrix), not the size; size becomes an issue only when cannulas don't fit↗
▶Ep 1 · 28:45
clinicalThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is: do you have a reversible condition? Can you get out with reasonable confidence once you start?↗
▶Ep 1 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works but problematic in CDH because heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum↗
▶Ep 1 · 31:00
clinicalVV ECMO is for less sick patients who aren't in extremis; most CDH babies are sicker and do better on VA ECMO↗
clinicalVA bypass is basically dialing in a PaO2; VV has mixing issues, cannula position concerns, and is more annoying to manage↗
▶Ep 1 · 32:17
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful with the shifted mediastinum; the arterial cannula can go out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein↗
▶Ep 1 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen↗
▶Ep 1 · 33:23
clinicalUsing a guide wire to position the venous cannula into the right atrium is helpful when the mediastinum is distorted↗
▶Ep 1 · 33:55
clinicalUse 3 stay sutures (5-0 Prolene, rubber-shod) to lift the venotomy and arteriotomy open to avoid shearing off the intima and creating a false passage↗
▶Ep 1 · 34:47
clinicalIn the first hours on ECMO, hyperkalemia can cause cardiac arrest if blood isn't washed; just perfuse through it and give calcium↗
▶Ep 1 · 34:55
clinicalECMO flow must be increased slowly over 45-90 minutes to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence↗
▶Ep 1 · 35:10
clinicalTarget VA ECMO flow is 100-125 cc/kg/min, which is about 80% of cardiac output assuming an open duct↗
▶Ep 1 · 35:29
clinicalAt target ECMO flow, preductal saturation will be good and mixed venous (from venous drainage) will come up to 65-70%↗
▶Ep 1 · 36:12
clinicalRegular cardiac echos during ECMO weaning are important to assess right heart function, dilation, tricuspid regurgitation, and pulmonary outflow tract jet↗
▶Ep 1 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test (turning ventilator FiO2 up to 1.0) demonstrates if the baby can use their lungs; if PaO2 rises, it gives courage to begin weaning ECMO↗
clinicalFor babies unweanable from ECMO after 2+ weeks at high flow, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into head), making good urine, with good labs and chest X-ray before considering on-ECMO repair↗
▶Ep 1 · 39:05
clinicalRepairing the hernia on ECMO is unusual to get you out of trouble; the problem is lung growth arrest at 14-15 weeks gestation, not that bowel is in the chest↗
▶Ep 1 · 39:39
quoteThis is not a space occupying lesion is not the problem here↗
▶Ep 1 · 40:40
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) are making clot; platelet thrombus lifespan is 48-72 hours↗
▶Ep 1 · 41:07
clinicalIf operating on ECMO, you have about 48-72 hours to decannulate before bleeding starts; operate when nearly weanable (20 cc/kg/min), expect 1 day of post-op deterioration, then 2-3 days to get off↗
▶Ep 1 · 41:51
clinicalOperating off ECMO means the baby will get stiff post-operatively, pulmonary hypertension may relapse, and you risk needing a second ECMO run↗
▶Ep 1 · 42:39
clinicalWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do abdominal approach, use low threshold for patch to avoid tension, place Jackson-Pratt drain under patch, and place chest tube↗
▶Ep 1 · 44:11
clinicalFutility on ECMO begins to rear its head after 2-3 weeks; it becomes easier to discuss withdrawal if there's been a CNS event like intracranial hemorrhage↗
▶Ep 1 · 45:42
clinicalFor non-ECMO babies, repair timing is when they're on minimal ventilator settings (FiO2 0.4, conventional settings), which typically takes 3-4 days↗
▶Ep 1 · 46:07
clinicalUse the infant ventilator instead of anesthesia machine intraoperatively; infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and aren't very compliant↗
▶Ep 1 · 46:28
clinicalAnesthesia can be all intravenous (muscle relaxants and narcotics); you don't need an anesthesia machine↗
▶Ep 1 · 46:47
clinicalPre-repair assessment includes pre/post-ductal gradient, echo showing RV not dilated, RV pressure no more than systemic (not super-systemic), acceptable tricuspid regurgitation, and acceptable pulmonary outflow tract acceleration times↗
▶Ep 1 · 47:57
clinicalPerioperative antibiotics (typically ampicillin-gentamicin) are given because a patch may be placed in a newborn↗
▶Ep 1 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 1 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach provides a gorgeous view and often the bowel reduces with chest insufflation, but only rock-stable kids are candidates because you're creating a tension pneumothorax in a potentially hypercapnic baby↗
▶Ep 1 · 49:37
clinicalIn Dr. Stolar's series of 35 thoracoscopic CDH repairs in stable babies, recurrence rate was about 25% in under a year; APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis reached similar conclusions↗
▶Ep 1 · 50:21
opinionLaparoscopic CDH repair is problematic because the scaphoid abdomen has loss of abdominal domain; insufflating just puts air up in the chest↗
▶Ep 1 · 53:01
quoteI was very disappointed at our own data because I thought the scope approach was gorgeous.↗
▶Ep 1 · 54:58
clinicalFor open repair, key is adequate subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision); rotate liver out of chest and abdomen to see the defect↗
▶Ep 1 · 55:31
clinicalCritical repair points are all medial where structures with names are located; mobilize posterior leaflet by unrolling it like a window shade down to the body wall until you feel rib↗
▶Ep 1 · 56:11
clinicalThe medial repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta hangs out with nothing to sew to; use an upside-down U-shaped pericardial flap rotated down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair↗
▶Ep 1 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike braided suture like Vicryl↗
▶Ep 1 · 57:59
clinicalFor patches, favor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex; laterally, anchor the patch to the ribs by getting a needle around the rib and into the patch↗
▶Ep 1 · 58:43
clinicalMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out with a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:00:23
clinicalFor thoracoscopic repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and reduce spleen last as it obturates the hole and keeps bowel in the belly↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:01:35
clinicalThoracoscopically, mobilizing the posterior leaflet is difficult because it's rolled into the abdomen and hard to see around the corner↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:02:03
clinicalFor thoracoscopic patch placement, use extracorporeal-intracorporeal suture technique: come from outside through skin around rib into patch and back out, tie externally, and bury the knot under the skin↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:04:16
clinicalIf you can see through the diaphragm (it's just pleura and peritoneum with no muscle), resect it back to something that looks like muscle; plication of see-through tissue will fail↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:06:31
quoteneonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:06:47
clinicalThe ipsilateral lung is small and not as big as the pleural space; that's how God made this lung. You won't inflate the lung to fill the chest↗
clinicalThe pleural space will be obliterated either slowly by lung growth over 3-4 years or by filling with fluid; it's not a pneumothorax under pressure, it's pneumothorax ex vacuo↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:07:18
clinicalChest tube on water-seal suction will distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis; there's no reason to put in a chest tube unless there's active air leak or bleeding↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:08:53
clinicalTypical stable post-op CDH baby will be unstable for about a day with increased ventilator requirements, then improve and get extubated in 4-5 days↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:09:34
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the entire foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz; these kids have disordered motility throughout↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:09:51
clinicalAll CDH patients should have a GI series showing dilated, ectatic, abnormal esophagus; manometry and impedance show abnormal esophageal and gastric motility and emptying↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:10:09
quotethis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:10:09
opinionThe foregut problem is not really reflux; calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH babies do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus; surgical intervention for foregut issues is unusual and should be approached as palliation↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:10:40
opinionNissen fundoplication is a poor operation for CDH kids (like for esophageal atresia) because their motility is abnormal; if surgery is needed, use a partial wrap with gastrostomy and real drainage procedure (Jaboulay-Finney type, not Heineke-Mikulicz)↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:12:11
clinicalDr. Stolar's multidisciplinary CDH clinic follows 450-500 patients for life, addressing heart, lung, foregut, nutrition, neurodevelopmental, and axial skeleton issues that emerge over time↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis; he recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular endoscopic surveillance↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:13:57
clinicalCDH patients have increased incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism; early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues is recommended↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:14:09
clinicalAs a field defect, CDH causes asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distortion; some patients need Nuss-type operations to rebuild chest wall↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:14:29
clinicalSome CDH girls have no breast development on the hernia side as teenagers; combined Nuss operation and breast implant procedures have been performed↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients develop thoracolumbar scoliosis (not idiopathic scoliosis, as it's mostly in boys); early bracing programs help minimize this↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:15:16
clinicalCDH recurrence is related to tension on tissues and tissue quality; it's a tough problem whether tissue-to-tissue or prosthetic repair↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:17:35
clinicalRecurrence is more common with left-sided CDH than right because the liver plugs up the hole on the right↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:17:51
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is determining where hepatic veins drain; not infrequently they enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic IVC↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:18:09
clinicalIf hepatic veins enter the right atrium directly, attempting to reduce the liver into the abdomen will cause a troublesome moment; you should not try to put that liver in the abdomen↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:18:29
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH; the liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:19:11
clinicalMost patients with hepatopulmonary fusion don't survive; they often have associated severe congenital heart disease and IVC interruption with azygous continuation↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:19:48
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions; often need to be on both sides to figure out what's going on because the liver is in the way↗
▶Ep 1 · 1:20:12
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, can put a scope through an open thoracotomy to see around corners where the liver might come up against the heart↗
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 3 · 2:13
quoteThe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach.↗
▶Ep 3 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies managed by community obstetricians.↗
▶Ep 3 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 3 · 3:21
quoteI expect parents to leave with a sense of cautious optimism, not doom and gloom.↗
▶Ep 3 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is usually made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart.↗
▶Ep 3 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side.↗
▶Ep 3 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation.↗
▶Ep 3 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency, not a surgical emergency.↗
▶Ep 3 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section.↗
▶Ep 3 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best.↗
▶Ep 3 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability.↗
▶Ep 3 · 7:34
epidemiologicalMaybe 10-15% of babies diagnosed with CDH will benefit from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 3 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest is of no prognostic value for CDH.↗
▶Ep 3 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio (LHR) is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8).↗
▶Ep 3 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis in CDH.↗
▶Ep 3 · 10:13
quoteIf you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 3 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers.↗
▶Ep 3 · 10:37
clinicalSteroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but their role in near-term CDH babies (37-39 weeks) is arguable.↗
▶Ep 3 · 12:06
opinionExit-to-ECMO for CDH is essentially moving the goalposts and deck chairs around on the Titanic for non-viable babies.↗
▶Ep 3 · 12:06
quoteThe short answer is I think that's nonsense.↗
▶Ep 3 · 12:36
quoteWhat you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.↗
▶Ep 3 · 13:00
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth.↗
▶Ep 3 · 17:11
quoteECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen. So if the end organs are getting enough oxygen, then you're doing fine.↗
▶Ep 3 · 19:06
guidelineAll therapy for CDH should be guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal, because all babies have some degree of pulmonary hypertension with shunting.↗
▶Ep 3 · 19:32
clinicalIf preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 of 65 torr), the brain is doing fine because this is fetal hemoglobin.↗
▶Ep 3 · 21:38
quoteIf you ever wanted to find out if somebody tried to invent a neonatal ventilator today, they would throw it out as a lethal device because they will trash in the lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 3 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today because they trash lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 3 · 21:56
guidelineCDH babies should not be paralyzed and should have minimal sedation to maintain spontaneous breathing.↗
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 3 · 24:50
quoteWhen I see them getting out the oscillator, I'll go prime a circuit. That's just how I think about it.↗
▶Ep 3 · 25:45
clinicalNitric oxide is a waste of money for CDH babies; meta-analyses show it's terrific for premature babies with immature lung disease but of no value in CDH.↗
guidelineECMO should not be used in babies under 36 weeks gestational age initially, though this has been pushed down to 35 weeks, maybe 34 weeks, with intracranial hemorrhage rates taking off below 32 weeks.↗
▶Ep 3 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial perfusion cannula available is about 8 French, and resistance is related to both length and diameter, making adequate flow difficult in very small babies.↗
▶Ep 3 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, the real risk for intracranial hemorrhage is the germinal matrix, which is usually OK by 35-36 weeks gestation, so it's gestational age that matters, not size.↗
guidelineThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is whether you can get out of ECMO with reasonable confidence if you get in—don't start something you can't finish.↗
▶Ep 3 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works, but in CDH the heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum.↗
opinionVA bypass is essentially dialing in a PaO2, while VV ECMO is much more annoying with mixing, cannula position issues, and CDH babies are generally too unstable for VV.↗
▶Ep 3 · 32:17
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful to prevent driving the arterial cannula out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein.↗
▶Ep 3 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a very well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 3 · 33:01
quoteIf you drive it out the subclavian artery, you're going to have a very well perfused hand, and you think your preductal sats are looking really good, but the baby's not seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 3 · 34:19
clinicalThe first few hours on ECMO can be unstable; hyperkalemia cardiac arrest can occur if blood isn't washed, but you just perfuse through it and give calcium.↗
▶Ep 3 · 34:55
guidelineECMO flow should be slowly increased over 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to about 100-125 cc/kg/min (about 80% of cardiac output) to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence.↗
▶Ep 3 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test—turning FIO2 up to 1.0 on the ventilator while on ECMO—gives courage to begin weaning if the PaO2 rises, showing the baby can use their lungs.↗
▶Ep 3 · 38:18
guidelineFor babies stuck on ECMO at 2 weeks, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into back of head, turned into a prune) before considering on-ECMO repair.↗
▶Ep 3 · 39:14
clinicalThe problem in CDH is not that bowel is in the chest; the problem is growth arrest of the lungs that happened at 14-15 weeks gestation. Getting bowel out of the chest is not miraculous.↗
▶Ep 3 · 39:20
quoteThe problem is not that the bowel is up in the chest. The problem is that there's been a growth arrest of the lungs. And just there's nothing miraculous about getting the bowel out of the chest.↗
▶Ep 3 · 40:37
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) make clot on ECMO. A platelet thrombus lasts 48-72 hours, giving a window to operate and get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 3 · 41:14
guidelinePreferred approach is to wean ECMO down to 20 cc/kg/min, do the operation, accept 1 day of post-op edema, then have 2-3 days to get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 3 · 41:51
clinicalIf you take a baby off ECMO then operate, every patient gets stiff after surgery, pulmonary hypertension relapses, and you're talking about a second ECMO run.↗
▶Ep 3 · 42:39
guidelineWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do it as an abdominal operation, use a patch with low threshold to avoid tension, place a Jackson-Pratt drain under the patch, and place a chest tube.↗
▶Ep 3 · 44:14
opinionFutility on ECMO starts to rear its head after about 2-3 weeks.↗
▶Ep 3 · 45:42
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby not requiring ECMO takes 3-4 days to wean to minimal ventilator settings (FIO2 0.4, conventional settings) before repair.↗
▶Ep 3 · 46:07
guidelineUse the infant ventilator instead of an anesthesia machine intraoperatively because infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and are not very compliant.↗
▶Ep 3 · 46:47
guidelineFor repair timing, three variables matter: pre/post-ductal gradient on pulse ox, right ventricle dilation on echo, and RV pressure versus LV pressure (RV should be no more than systemic).↗
▶Ep 3 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach for CDH is gorgeous with a sparkling view, but the recurrence rate is really high—about 25% in under a year in Dr. Stolar's series of 35 stable kids.↗
▶Ep 3 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 3 · 50:02
clinicalThe APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis came to a very similar conclusion about high thoracoscopic CDH recurrence rates.↗
▶Ep 3 · 55:02
guidelineFor open CDH repair, need a real subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision), rotate the liver out of chest and abdomen, eviscerate bowel, and mobilize the posterior leaflet like unrolling a window shade down to rib.↗
▶Ep 3 · 56:06
clinicalThe medial part of CDH repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta is hanging out with nothing to sew to.↗
▶Ep 3 · 56:28
guidelineWhen there's no diaphragm to sew to medially, make an upside-down U-shaped incision on the pericardium and rotate that down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair.↗
▶Ep 3 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike Vicryl which saws tissue.↗
▶Ep 3 · 57:59
guidelineFavor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex for patches, and anchor the patch to the ribs laterally by getting a needle around the rib.↗
▶Ep 3 · 58:43
guidelineMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out taking a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:00:23
guidelineFor thoracoscopic CDH repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and put solid organs (spleen or left liver lobe) in last to plug the hole and keep bowel down.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:04:16
guidelineIf you can see through the diaphragm tissue (it's nothing but pleura and peritoneum), resect it back to muscle for a fresh edge to sew together, or the plication will fail.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:06:31
quoteNeonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:06:47
guidelineThere is no indication for a chest tube in CDH except for active air leak or anticipated/active bleeding. The ipsilateral lung is small and won't fill the pleural space—that's how God made this lung.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:07:13
clinicalA pneumothorax in CDH is a pneumothorax ex vacuo, not air under pressure. Putting in a chest tube on water seal suction will just distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:08:54
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby will be crummy for about a day postoperatively, then get better and be extubated in 4-5 days and go home.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:09:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the whole foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz. Everything—esophagus, stomach, gastric emptying—has abnormal motility.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:09:51
clinicalIf you do a GI series on CDH kids, the esophagus will be very dilated, ectatic, and abnormal-looking. Manometry and impedance manometry are abnormal.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:10:09
quoteThis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:10:09
opinionIt's not really reflux in CDH—calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH kids generally do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus. It's unusual to need surgical intervention for foregut dysmotility.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:10:36
guidelineWhen surgery is needed for CDH foregut dysmotility, approach it as palliation: some sort of fundoplication (not Nissen—it's fully competent on an abnormal-motility esophagus), combined with gastrostomy and a real drainage procedure like Jaboulay-Finney, not Heineke-Mikulicz.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis and now recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular scoping for all CDH patients.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:13:46
clinicalDr. Stolar's 1989-1990 paper showed most CDH kids turn out OK unless the mother had an 8th grade education and the child is a boy.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:13:58
clinicalThere is an incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism in CDH survivors, prompting early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:14:09
clinicalBecause CDH is a field defect, there's asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distorted chest wall growth requiring Nuss-type operations in some patients.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:14:20
clinicalSome CDH girls as teenagers have no breast development on the side of the hernia, requiring Nuss operation and breast implant.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients can develop non-idiopathic scoliosis (mostly in boys, not the typical idiopathic scoliosis in girls), requiring early bracing to minimize thoracolumbar scoliosis.↗
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is to ask echocardiographers where the hepatic veins drain, because they often enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic cava.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:18:36
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH. The liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically. Most of these patients don't survive and often have severe congenital heart disease and IVC discontinuation.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:19:48
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions because you often need to be on both sides. Start in the abdomen, but if the liver is in the way, make a counter-incision in the chest.↗
▶Ep 3 · 1:20:12
guidelineEven with an open thoracotomy, you can put a scope in to see around a corner without ugly retractors.↗
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 5 · 2:13
quotethe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach↗
▶Ep 5 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies↗
▶Ep 5 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 5 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is typically made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart↗
▶Ep 5 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side↗
▶Ep 5 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation↗
▶Ep 5 · 4:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect; the most common neonatal comorbidity is foregut motility difficulty↗
▶Ep 5 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency but not a surgical emergency↗
▶Ep 5 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section; elective spontaneous vaginal delivery is recommended assuming no obstetric issues↗
▶Ep 5 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best↗
▶Ep 5 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability; maybe 10-15% will benefit from ECMO↗
▶Ep 5 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest or stomach in the chest is of no prognostic value↗
▶Ep 5 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8), where prognosis is concerning↗
▶Ep 5 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis↗
▶Ep 5 · 10:13
quoteif you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 5 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers↗
▶Ep 5 · 10:37
clinicalAntenatal steroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but most CDH babies are near-term (37-39 weeks) where steroid role is arguable↗
opinionExit to ECMO for CDH is nonsense; it moves the goalposts on almost certainly non-viable babies↗
▶Ep 5 · 13:00
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth↗
▶Ep 5 · 14:45
clinicalInitial evaluation of newborn with CDH includes looking for morphology, associated anomalies, respiratory distress, pre- and post-ductal oxygen gradients, and early cardiac echo for right heart function↗
▶Ep 5 · 15:55
clinicalNot every baby with CDH needs or is a candidate for ECMO; approximately 5% have insufficient lung to support life based on inability to saturate preductal blood↗
▶Ep 5 · 17:06
clinicalECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen; indication is when end organs aren't getting enough oxygen despite best care↗
▶Ep 5 · 17:44
clinicalThe best way to assess end-organ function is urine output↗
▶Ep 5 · 18:21
guidelineECMO indication is typically oxygenation index in excess of 40 for 4 hours or more↗
▶Ep 5 · 19:06
clinicalAll therapy is guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal; if preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 ~65 torr), the brain is doing fine with fetal hemoglobin↗
▶Ep 5 · 20:25
clinicalWhen managing dropping preductal saturation, first ensure adequate hemoglobin and circulating volume, then increase FiO2 or ventilator pressure, but avoid trying to control PCO2 as this will destroy the lungs↗
▶Ep 5 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today↗
▶Ep 5 · 21:56
clinicalCDH babies are not paralyzed during ventilation; minimal sedation is used and babies should be awake and breathing spontaneously↗
▶Ep 5 · 22:15
clinicalInitial conventional ventilator settings (IMV rate ~40, peak pressure 25-28, PEEP ~5) are not tolerated by most CDH babies↗
▶Ep 5 · 22:53
clinicalUnconventional ventilation mode for CDH uses high rate (100 breaths/min), low peak pressure (turned down to zero due to stacking), and high gas flow rate with permissive hypercapnia↗
▶Ep 5 · 24:30
quoteI often joke that when people say, how do you know when to set up an ECMO circuit with a diaphragmatic hernia, it's when they get out the oscillator.↗
▶Ep 5 · 24:30
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO; when they get out the oscillator, it's time to prime an ECMO circuit↗
quoteThe best drug for diaphragmatic hernia is oxygen.↗
▶Ep 5 · 26:22
clinicalECMO gestational age limit has been pushed from 36 weeks down to 35, maybe 34 weeks; below 32 weeks the intracranial hemorrhage rate takes off and neurologic outcomes become poor↗
▶Ep 5 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial cannula is about 8 French; getting adequate flow out of small cannulas is problematic due to resistance related to both length and diameter↗
▶Ep 5 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, it's the gestational age that matters for intracranial hemorrhage risk (germinal matrix), not the size; size becomes an issue only when cannulas don't fit↗
▶Ep 5 · 28:45
clinicalThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is: do you have a reversible condition? Can you get out with reasonable confidence once you start?↗
▶Ep 5 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works but problematic in CDH because heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum↗
▶Ep 5 · 31:00
clinicalVV ECMO is for less sick patients who aren't in extremis; most CDH babies are sicker and do better on VA ECMO↗
clinicalVA bypass is basically dialing in a PaO2; VV has mixing issues, cannula position concerns, and is more annoying to manage↗
▶Ep 5 · 32:17
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful with the shifted mediastinum; the arterial cannula can go out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein↗
▶Ep 5 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen↗
▶Ep 5 · 33:23
clinicalUsing a guide wire to position the venous cannula into the right atrium is helpful when the mediastinum is distorted↗
▶Ep 5 · 33:55
clinicalUse 3 stay sutures (5-0 Prolene, rubber-shod) to lift the venotomy and arteriotomy open to avoid shearing off the intima and creating a false passage↗
▶Ep 5 · 34:47
clinicalIn the first hours on ECMO, hyperkalemia can cause cardiac arrest if blood isn't washed; just perfuse through it and give calcium↗
▶Ep 5 · 34:55
clinicalECMO flow must be increased slowly over 45-90 minutes to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence↗
▶Ep 5 · 35:10
clinicalTarget VA ECMO flow is 100-125 cc/kg/min, which is about 80% of cardiac output assuming an open duct↗
▶Ep 5 · 35:29
clinicalAt target ECMO flow, preductal saturation will be good and mixed venous (from venous drainage) will come up to 65-70%↗
▶Ep 5 · 36:12
clinicalRegular cardiac echos during ECMO weaning are important to assess right heart function, dilation, tricuspid regurgitation, and pulmonary outflow tract jet↗
▶Ep 5 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test (turning ventilator FiO2 up to 1.0) demonstrates if the baby can use their lungs; if PaO2 rises, it gives courage to begin weaning ECMO↗
clinicalFor babies unweanable from ECMO after 2+ weeks at high flow, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into head), making good urine, with good labs and chest X-ray before considering on-ECMO repair↗
▶Ep 5 · 39:05
clinicalRepairing the hernia on ECMO is unusual to get you out of trouble; the problem is lung growth arrest at 14-15 weeks gestation, not that bowel is in the chest↗
▶Ep 5 · 39:39
quoteThis is not a space occupying lesion is not the problem here↗
▶Ep 5 · 40:40
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) are making clot; platelet thrombus lifespan is 48-72 hours↗
▶Ep 5 · 41:07
clinicalIf operating on ECMO, you have about 48-72 hours to decannulate before bleeding starts; operate when nearly weanable (20 cc/kg/min), expect 1 day of post-op deterioration, then 2-3 days to get off↗
▶Ep 5 · 41:51
clinicalOperating off ECMO means the baby will get stiff post-operatively, pulmonary hypertension may relapse, and you risk needing a second ECMO run↗
▶Ep 5 · 42:39
clinicalWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do abdominal approach, use low threshold for patch to avoid tension, place Jackson-Pratt drain under patch, and place chest tube↗
▶Ep 5 · 44:11
clinicalFutility on ECMO begins to rear its head after 2-3 weeks; it becomes easier to discuss withdrawal if there's been a CNS event like intracranial hemorrhage↗
▶Ep 5 · 45:42
clinicalFor non-ECMO babies, repair timing is when they're on minimal ventilator settings (FiO2 0.4, conventional settings), which typically takes 3-4 days↗
▶Ep 5 · 46:07
clinicalUse the infant ventilator instead of anesthesia machine intraoperatively; infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and aren't very compliant↗
▶Ep 5 · 46:28
clinicalAnesthesia can be all intravenous (muscle relaxants and narcotics); you don't need an anesthesia machine↗
▶Ep 5 · 46:47
clinicalPre-repair assessment includes pre/post-ductal gradient, echo showing RV not dilated, RV pressure no more than systemic (not super-systemic), acceptable tricuspid regurgitation, and acceptable pulmonary outflow tract acceleration times↗
▶Ep 5 · 47:57
clinicalPerioperative antibiotics (typically ampicillin-gentamicin) are given because a patch may be placed in a newborn↗
▶Ep 5 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach provides a gorgeous view and often the bowel reduces with chest insufflation, but only rock-stable kids are candidates because you're creating a tension pneumothorax in a potentially hypercapnic baby↗
▶Ep 5 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 5 · 49:37
clinicalIn Dr. Stolar's series of 35 thoracoscopic CDH repairs in stable babies, recurrence rate was about 25% in under a year; APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis reached similar conclusions↗
▶Ep 5 · 50:21
opinionLaparoscopic CDH repair is problematic because the scaphoid abdomen has loss of abdominal domain; insufflating just puts air up in the chest↗
▶Ep 5 · 53:01
quoteI was very disappointed at our own data because I thought the scope approach was gorgeous.↗
▶Ep 5 · 54:58
clinicalFor open repair, key is adequate subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision); rotate liver out of chest and abdomen to see the defect↗
▶Ep 5 · 55:31
clinicalCritical repair points are all medial where structures with names are located; mobilize posterior leaflet by unrolling it like a window shade down to the body wall until you feel rib↗
▶Ep 5 · 56:11
clinicalThe medial repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta hangs out with nothing to sew to; use an upside-down U-shaped pericardial flap rotated down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair↗
▶Ep 5 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike braided suture like Vicryl↗
▶Ep 5 · 57:59
clinicalFor patches, favor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex; laterally, anchor the patch to the ribs by getting a needle around the rib and into the patch↗
▶Ep 5 · 58:43
clinicalMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out with a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:00:23
clinicalFor thoracoscopic repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and reduce spleen last as it obturates the hole and keeps bowel in the belly↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:01:35
clinicalThoracoscopically, mobilizing the posterior leaflet is difficult because it's rolled into the abdomen and hard to see around the corner↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:02:03
clinicalFor thoracoscopic patch placement, use extracorporeal-intracorporeal suture technique: come from outside through skin around rib into patch and back out, tie externally, and bury the knot under the skin↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:04:16
clinicalIf you can see through the diaphragm (it's just pleura and peritoneum with no muscle), resect it back to something that looks like muscle; plication of see-through tissue will fail↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:06:31
quoteneonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:06:47
clinicalThe ipsilateral lung is small and not as big as the pleural space; that's how God made this lung. You won't inflate the lung to fill the chest↗
clinicalThe pleural space will be obliterated either slowly by lung growth over 3-4 years or by filling with fluid; it's not a pneumothorax under pressure, it's pneumothorax ex vacuo↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:07:18
clinicalChest tube on water-seal suction will distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis; there's no reason to put in a chest tube unless there's active air leak or bleeding↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:08:53
clinicalTypical stable post-op CDH baby will be unstable for about a day with increased ventilator requirements, then improve and get extubated in 4-5 days↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:09:34
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the entire foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz; these kids have disordered motility throughout↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:09:51
clinicalAll CDH patients should have a GI series showing dilated, ectatic, abnormal esophagus; manometry and impedance show abnormal esophageal and gastric motility and emptying↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:09
opinionThe foregut problem is not really reflux; calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:09
quotethis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH babies do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus; surgical intervention for foregut issues is unusual and should be approached as palliation↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:40
opinionNissen fundoplication is a poor operation for CDH kids (like for esophageal atresia) because their motility is abnormal; if surgery is needed, use a partial wrap with gastrostomy and real drainage procedure (Jaboulay-Finney type, not Heineke-Mikulicz)↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:12:11
clinicalDr. Stolar's multidisciplinary CDH clinic follows 450-500 patients for life, addressing heart, lung, foregut, nutrition, neurodevelopmental, and axial skeleton issues that emerge over time↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis; he recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular endoscopic surveillance↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:13:57
clinicalCDH patients have increased incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism; early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues is recommended↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:14:09
clinicalAs a field defect, CDH causes asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distortion; some patients need Nuss-type operations to rebuild chest wall↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:14:29
clinicalSome CDH girls have no breast development on the hernia side as teenagers; combined Nuss operation and breast implant procedures have been performed↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients develop thoracolumbar scoliosis (not idiopathic scoliosis, as it's mostly in boys); early bracing programs help minimize this↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:15:16
clinicalCDH recurrence is related to tension on tissues and tissue quality; it's a tough problem whether tissue-to-tissue or prosthetic repair↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:17:35
clinicalRecurrence is more common with left-sided CDH than right because the liver plugs up the hole on the right↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:17:51
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is determining where hepatic veins drain; not infrequently they enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic IVC↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:18:09
clinicalIf hepatic veins enter the right atrium directly, attempting to reduce the liver into the abdomen will cause a troublesome moment; you should not try to put that liver in the abdomen↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:18:29
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH; the liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:19:11
clinicalMost patients with hepatopulmonary fusion don't survive; they often have associated severe congenital heart disease and IVC interruption with azygous continuation↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:19:48
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions; often need to be on both sides to figure out what's going on because the liver is in the way↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:20:12
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, can put a scope through an open thoracotomy to see around corners where the liver might come up against the heart↗
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 4 · 2:13
quoteThe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach.↗
▶Ep 4 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies managed by community obstetricians.↗
▶Ep 4 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 4 · 3:21
quoteI expect parents to leave with a sense of cautious optimism, not doom and gloom.↗
▶Ep 4 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is usually made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart.↗
▶Ep 4 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side.↗
▶Ep 4 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation.↗
▶Ep 4 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency, not a surgical emergency.↗
▶Ep 4 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section.↗
▶Ep 4 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best.↗
▶Ep 4 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability.↗
▶Ep 4 · 7:34
epidemiologicalMaybe 10-15% of babies diagnosed with CDH will benefit from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 4 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest is of no prognostic value for CDH.↗
▶Ep 4 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio (LHR) is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8).↗
▶Ep 4 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis in CDH.↗
▶Ep 4 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers.↗
▶Ep 4 · 10:13
quoteIf you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 4 · 10:37
clinicalSteroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but their role in near-term CDH babies (37-39 weeks) is arguable.↗
▶Ep 4 · 12:06
opinionExit-to-ECMO for CDH is essentially moving the goalposts and deck chairs around on the Titanic for non-viable babies.↗
▶Ep 4 · 12:06
quoteThe short answer is I think that's nonsense.↗
▶Ep 4 · 12:36
quoteWhat you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.↗
▶Ep 4 · 13:00
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth.↗
▶Ep 4 · 17:11
quoteECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen. So if the end organs are getting enough oxygen, then you're doing fine.↗
▶Ep 4 · 19:06
guidelineAll therapy for CDH should be guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal, because all babies have some degree of pulmonary hypertension with shunting.↗
▶Ep 4 · 19:32
clinicalIf preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 of 65 torr), the brain is doing fine because this is fetal hemoglobin.↗
▶Ep 4 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today because they trash lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 4 · 21:38
quoteIf you ever wanted to find out if somebody tried to invent a neonatal ventilator today, they would throw it out as a lethal device because they will trash in the lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 4 · 21:56
guidelineCDH babies should not be paralyzed and should have minimal sedation to maintain spontaneous breathing.↗
clinicalNitric oxide is a waste of money for CDH babies; meta-analyses show it's terrific for premature babies with immature lung disease but of no value in CDH.↗
quoteThe best drug for diaphragmatic hernia is oxygen.↗
▶Ep 4 · 26:22
guidelineECMO should not be used in babies under 36 weeks gestational age initially, though this has been pushed down to 35 weeks, maybe 34 weeks, with intracranial hemorrhage rates taking off below 32 weeks.↗
▶Ep 4 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial perfusion cannula available is about 8 French, and resistance is related to both length and diameter, making adequate flow difficult in very small babies.↗
▶Ep 4 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, the real risk for intracranial hemorrhage is the germinal matrix, which is usually OK by 35-36 weeks gestation, so it's gestational age that matters, not size.↗
guidelineThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is whether you can get out of ECMO with reasonable confidence if you get in—don't start something you can't finish.↗
▶Ep 4 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works, but in CDH the heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum.↗
opinionVA bypass is essentially dialing in a PaO2, while VV ECMO is much more annoying with mixing, cannula position issues, and CDH babies are generally too unstable for VV.↗
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful to prevent driving the arterial cannula out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein.↗
▶Ep 4 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a very well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 4 · 33:01
quoteIf you drive it out the subclavian artery, you're going to have a very well perfused hand, and you think your preductal sats are looking really good, but the baby's not seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 4 · 34:19
clinicalThe first few hours on ECMO can be unstable; hyperkalemia cardiac arrest can occur if blood isn't washed, but you just perfuse through it and give calcium.↗
▶Ep 4 · 34:55
guidelineECMO flow should be slowly increased over 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to about 100-125 cc/kg/min (about 80% of cardiac output) to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence.↗
▶Ep 4 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test—turning FIO2 up to 1.0 on the ventilator while on ECMO—gives courage to begin weaning if the PaO2 rises, showing the baby can use their lungs.↗
▶Ep 4 · 38:18
guidelineFor babies stuck on ECMO at 2 weeks, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into back of head, turned into a prune) before considering on-ECMO repair.↗
▶Ep 4 · 39:14
clinicalThe problem in CDH is not that bowel is in the chest; the problem is growth arrest of the lungs that happened at 14-15 weeks gestation. Getting bowel out of the chest is not miraculous.↗
▶Ep 4 · 39:20
quoteThe problem is not that the bowel is up in the chest. The problem is that there's been a growth arrest of the lungs. And just there's nothing miraculous about getting the bowel out of the chest.↗
▶Ep 4 · 40:37
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) make clot on ECMO. A platelet thrombus lasts 48-72 hours, giving a window to operate and get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 4 · 41:14
guidelinePreferred approach is to wean ECMO down to 20 cc/kg/min, do the operation, accept 1 day of post-op edema, then have 2-3 days to get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 4 · 41:51
clinicalIf you take a baby off ECMO then operate, every patient gets stiff after surgery, pulmonary hypertension relapses, and you're talking about a second ECMO run.↗
▶Ep 4 · 42:39
guidelineWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do it as an abdominal operation, use a patch with low threshold to avoid tension, place a Jackson-Pratt drain under the patch, and place a chest tube.↗
▶Ep 4 · 44:14
opinionFutility on ECMO starts to rear its head after about 2-3 weeks.↗
▶Ep 4 · 45:42
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby not requiring ECMO takes 3-4 days to wean to minimal ventilator settings (FIO2 0.4, conventional settings) before repair.↗
▶Ep 4 · 46:07
guidelineUse the infant ventilator instead of an anesthesia machine intraoperatively because infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and are not very compliant.↗
▶Ep 4 · 46:47
guidelineFor repair timing, three variables matter: pre/post-ductal gradient on pulse ox, right ventricle dilation on echo, and RV pressure versus LV pressure (RV should be no more than systemic).↗
▶Ep 4 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach for CDH is gorgeous with a sparkling view, but the recurrence rate is really high—about 25% in under a year in Dr. Stolar's series of 35 stable kids.↗
▶Ep 4 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 4 · 50:02
clinicalThe APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis came to a very similar conclusion about high thoracoscopic CDH recurrence rates.↗
▶Ep 4 · 55:02
guidelineFor open CDH repair, need a real subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision), rotate the liver out of chest and abdomen, eviscerate bowel, and mobilize the posterior leaflet like unrolling a window shade down to rib.↗
▶Ep 4 · 56:06
clinicalThe medial part of CDH repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta is hanging out with nothing to sew to.↗
▶Ep 4 · 56:28
guidelineWhen there's no diaphragm to sew to medially, make an upside-down U-shaped incision on the pericardium and rotate that down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair.↗
▶Ep 4 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike Vicryl which saws tissue.↗
▶Ep 4 · 57:59
guidelineFavor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex for patches, and anchor the patch to the ribs laterally by getting a needle around the rib.↗
▶Ep 4 · 58:43
guidelineMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out taking a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:00:23
guidelineFor thoracoscopic CDH repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and put solid organs (spleen or left liver lobe) in last to plug the hole and keep bowel down.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:04:16
guidelineIf you can see through the diaphragm tissue (it's nothing but pleura and peritoneum), resect it back to muscle for a fresh edge to sew together, or the plication will fail.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:06:31
quoteNeonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:06:47
guidelineThere is no indication for a chest tube in CDH except for active air leak or anticipated/active bleeding. The ipsilateral lung is small and won't fill the pleural space—that's how God made this lung.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:07:13
clinicalA pneumothorax in CDH is a pneumothorax ex vacuo, not air under pressure. Putting in a chest tube on water seal suction will just distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:08:54
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby will be crummy for about a day postoperatively, then get better and be extubated in 4-5 days and go home.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:09:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the whole foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz. Everything—esophagus, stomach, gastric emptying—has abnormal motility.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:09:51
clinicalIf you do a GI series on CDH kids, the esophagus will be very dilated, ectatic, and abnormal-looking. Manometry and impedance manometry are abnormal.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:10:09
quoteThis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:10:09
opinionIt's not really reflux in CDH—calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH kids generally do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus. It's unusual to need surgical intervention for foregut dysmotility.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:10:36
guidelineWhen surgery is needed for CDH foregut dysmotility, approach it as palliation: some sort of fundoplication (not Nissen—it's fully competent on an abnormal-motility esophagus), combined with gastrostomy and a real drainage procedure like Jaboulay-Finney, not Heineke-Mikulicz.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis and now recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular scoping for all CDH patients.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:13:46
clinicalDr. Stolar's 1989-1990 paper showed most CDH kids turn out OK unless the mother had an 8th grade education and the child is a boy.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:13:58
clinicalThere is an incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism in CDH survivors, prompting early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:14:09
clinicalBecause CDH is a field defect, there's asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distorted chest wall growth requiring Nuss-type operations in some patients.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:14:20
clinicalSome CDH girls as teenagers have no breast development on the side of the hernia, requiring Nuss operation and breast implant.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients can develop non-idiopathic scoliosis (mostly in boys, not the typical idiopathic scoliosis in girls), requiring early bracing to minimize thoracolumbar scoliosis.↗
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is to ask echocardiographers where the hepatic veins drain, because they often enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic cava.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:18:36
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH. The liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically. Most of these patients don't survive and often have severe congenital heart disease and IVC discontinuation.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:19:48
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions because you often need to be on both sides. Start in the abdomen, but if the liver is in the way, make a counter-incision in the chest.↗
▶Ep 4 · 1:20:12
guidelineEven with an open thoracotomy, you can put a scope in to see around a corner without ugly retractors.↗
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 5 · 2:13
quotethe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach↗
▶Ep 5 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies↗
▶Ep 5 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 5 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is typically made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart↗
▶Ep 5 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side↗
▶Ep 5 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation↗
▶Ep 5 · 4:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect; the most common neonatal comorbidity is foregut motility difficulty↗
▶Ep 5 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency but not a surgical emergency↗
▶Ep 5 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section; elective spontaneous vaginal delivery is recommended assuming no obstetric issues↗
▶Ep 5 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best↗
▶Ep 5 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability; maybe 10-15% will benefit from ECMO↗
▶Ep 5 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest or stomach in the chest is of no prognostic value↗
▶Ep 5 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8), where prognosis is concerning↗
▶Ep 5 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis↗
▶Ep 5 · 10:13
quoteif you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 5 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers↗
▶Ep 5 · 10:37
clinicalAntenatal steroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but most CDH babies are near-term (37-39 weeks) where steroid role is arguable↗
▶Ep 5 · 12:06
opinionExit to ECMO for CDH is nonsense; it moves the goalposts on almost certainly non-viable babies↗
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth↗
▶Ep 5 · 14:45
clinicalInitial evaluation of newborn with CDH includes looking for morphology, associated anomalies, respiratory distress, pre- and post-ductal oxygen gradients, and early cardiac echo for right heart function↗
▶Ep 5 · 15:55
clinicalNot every baby with CDH needs or is a candidate for ECMO; approximately 5% have insufficient lung to support life based on inability to saturate preductal blood↗
▶Ep 5 · 17:06
clinicalECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen; indication is when end organs aren't getting enough oxygen despite best care↗
▶Ep 5 · 17:44
clinicalThe best way to assess end-organ function is urine output↗
▶Ep 5 · 18:21
guidelineECMO indication is typically oxygenation index in excess of 40 for 4 hours or more↗
▶Ep 5 · 19:06
clinicalAll therapy is guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal; if preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 ~65 torr), the brain is doing fine with fetal hemoglobin↗
▶Ep 5 · 20:25
clinicalWhen managing dropping preductal saturation, first ensure adequate hemoglobin and circulating volume, then increase FiO2 or ventilator pressure, but avoid trying to control PCO2 as this will destroy the lungs↗
▶Ep 5 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today↗
▶Ep 5 · 21:56
clinicalCDH babies are not paralyzed during ventilation; minimal sedation is used and babies should be awake and breathing spontaneously↗
▶Ep 5 · 22:15
clinicalInitial conventional ventilator settings (IMV rate ~40, peak pressure 25-28, PEEP ~5) are not tolerated by most CDH babies↗
▶Ep 5 · 22:53
clinicalUnconventional ventilation mode for CDH uses high rate (100 breaths/min), low peak pressure (turned down to zero due to stacking), and high gas flow rate with permissive hypercapnia↗
▶Ep 5 · 24:30
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO; when they get out the oscillator, it's time to prime an ECMO circuit↗
▶Ep 5 · 24:30
quoteI often joke that when people say, how do you know when to set up an ECMO circuit with a diaphragmatic hernia, it's when they get out the oscillator.↗
clinicalECMO gestational age limit has been pushed from 36 weeks down to 35, maybe 34 weeks; below 32 weeks the intracranial hemorrhage rate takes off and neurologic outcomes become poor↗
▶Ep 5 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial cannula is about 8 French; getting adequate flow out of small cannulas is problematic due to resistance related to both length and diameter↗
▶Ep 5 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, it's the gestational age that matters for intracranial hemorrhage risk (germinal matrix), not the size; size becomes an issue only when cannulas don't fit↗
▶Ep 5 · 28:45
clinicalThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is: do you have a reversible condition? Can you get out with reasonable confidence once you start?↗
▶Ep 5 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works but problematic in CDH because heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum↗
▶Ep 5 · 31:00
clinicalVV ECMO is for less sick patients who aren't in extremis; most CDH babies are sicker and do better on VA ECMO↗
clinicalVA bypass is basically dialing in a PaO2; VV has mixing issues, cannula position concerns, and is more annoying to manage↗
▶Ep 5 · 32:17
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful with the shifted mediastinum; the arterial cannula can go out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein↗
▶Ep 5 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen↗
▶Ep 5 · 33:23
clinicalUsing a guide wire to position the venous cannula into the right atrium is helpful when the mediastinum is distorted↗
▶Ep 5 · 33:55
clinicalUse 3 stay sutures (5-0 Prolene, rubber-shod) to lift the venotomy and arteriotomy open to avoid shearing off the intima and creating a false passage↗
▶Ep 5 · 34:47
clinicalIn the first hours on ECMO, hyperkalemia can cause cardiac arrest if blood isn't washed; just perfuse through it and give calcium↗
▶Ep 5 · 34:55
clinicalECMO flow must be increased slowly over 45-90 minutes to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence↗
▶Ep 5 · 35:10
clinicalTarget VA ECMO flow is 100-125 cc/kg/min, which is about 80% of cardiac output assuming an open duct↗
▶Ep 5 · 35:29
clinicalAt target ECMO flow, preductal saturation will be good and mixed venous (from venous drainage) will come up to 65-70%↗
▶Ep 5 · 36:12
clinicalRegular cardiac echos during ECMO weaning are important to assess right heart function, dilation, tricuspid regurgitation, and pulmonary outflow tract jet↗
▶Ep 5 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test (turning ventilator FiO2 up to 1.0) demonstrates if the baby can use their lungs; if PaO2 rises, it gives courage to begin weaning ECMO↗
clinicalFor babies unweanable from ECMO after 2+ weeks at high flow, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into head), making good urine, with good labs and chest X-ray before considering on-ECMO repair↗
▶Ep 5 · 39:05
clinicalRepairing the hernia on ECMO is unusual to get you out of trouble; the problem is lung growth arrest at 14-15 weeks gestation, not that bowel is in the chest↗
▶Ep 5 · 39:39
quoteThis is not a space occupying lesion is not the problem here↗
▶Ep 5 · 40:40
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) are making clot; platelet thrombus lifespan is 48-72 hours↗
▶Ep 5 · 41:07
clinicalIf operating on ECMO, you have about 48-72 hours to decannulate before bleeding starts; operate when nearly weanable (20 cc/kg/min), expect 1 day of post-op deterioration, then 2-3 days to get off↗
▶Ep 5 · 41:51
clinicalOperating off ECMO means the baby will get stiff post-operatively, pulmonary hypertension may relapse, and you risk needing a second ECMO run↗
▶Ep 5 · 42:39
clinicalWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do abdominal approach, use low threshold for patch to avoid tension, place Jackson-Pratt drain under patch, and place chest tube↗
▶Ep 5 · 44:11
clinicalFutility on ECMO begins to rear its head after 2-3 weeks; it becomes easier to discuss withdrawal if there's been a CNS event like intracranial hemorrhage↗
▶Ep 5 · 45:42
clinicalFor non-ECMO babies, repair timing is when they're on minimal ventilator settings (FiO2 0.4, conventional settings), which typically takes 3-4 days↗
▶Ep 5 · 46:07
clinicalUse the infant ventilator instead of anesthesia machine intraoperatively; infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and aren't very compliant↗
▶Ep 5 · 46:28
clinicalAnesthesia can be all intravenous (muscle relaxants and narcotics); you don't need an anesthesia machine↗
▶Ep 5 · 46:47
clinicalPre-repair assessment includes pre/post-ductal gradient, echo showing RV not dilated, RV pressure no more than systemic (not super-systemic), acceptable tricuspid regurgitation, and acceptable pulmonary outflow tract acceleration times↗
▶Ep 5 · 47:57
clinicalPerioperative antibiotics (typically ampicillin-gentamicin) are given because a patch may be placed in a newborn↗
▶Ep 5 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 5 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach provides a gorgeous view and often the bowel reduces with chest insufflation, but only rock-stable kids are candidates because you're creating a tension pneumothorax in a potentially hypercapnic baby↗
▶Ep 5 · 49:37
clinicalIn Dr. Stolar's series of 35 thoracoscopic CDH repairs in stable babies, recurrence rate was about 25% in under a year; APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis reached similar conclusions↗
▶Ep 5 · 50:21
opinionLaparoscopic CDH repair is problematic because the scaphoid abdomen has loss of abdominal domain; insufflating just puts air up in the chest↗
▶Ep 5 · 53:01
quoteI was very disappointed at our own data because I thought the scope approach was gorgeous.↗
▶Ep 5 · 54:58
clinicalFor open repair, key is adequate subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision); rotate liver out of chest and abdomen to see the defect↗
▶Ep 5 · 55:31
clinicalCritical repair points are all medial where structures with names are located; mobilize posterior leaflet by unrolling it like a window shade down to the body wall until you feel rib↗
▶Ep 5 · 56:11
clinicalThe medial repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta hangs out with nothing to sew to; use an upside-down U-shaped pericardial flap rotated down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair↗
▶Ep 5 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike braided suture like Vicryl↗
▶Ep 5 · 57:59
clinicalFor patches, favor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex; laterally, anchor the patch to the ribs by getting a needle around the rib and into the patch↗
▶Ep 5 · 58:43
clinicalMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out with a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:00:23
clinicalFor thoracoscopic repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and reduce spleen last as it obturates the hole and keeps bowel in the belly↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:01:35
clinicalThoracoscopically, mobilizing the posterior leaflet is difficult because it's rolled into the abdomen and hard to see around the corner↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:02:03
clinicalFor thoracoscopic patch placement, use extracorporeal-intracorporeal suture technique: come from outside through skin around rib into patch and back out, tie externally, and bury the knot under the skin↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:04:16
clinicalIf you can see through the diaphragm (it's just pleura and peritoneum with no muscle), resect it back to something that looks like muscle; plication of see-through tissue will fail↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:06:31
quoteneonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:06:47
clinicalThe ipsilateral lung is small and not as big as the pleural space; that's how God made this lung. You won't inflate the lung to fill the chest↗
clinicalThe pleural space will be obliterated either slowly by lung growth over 3-4 years or by filling with fluid; it's not a pneumothorax under pressure, it's pneumothorax ex vacuo↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:07:18
clinicalChest tube on water-seal suction will distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis; there's no reason to put in a chest tube unless there's active air leak or bleeding↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:08:53
clinicalTypical stable post-op CDH baby will be unstable for about a day with increased ventilator requirements, then improve and get extubated in 4-5 days↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:09:34
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the entire foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz; these kids have disordered motility throughout↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:09:51
clinicalAll CDH patients should have a GI series showing dilated, ectatic, abnormal esophagus; manometry and impedance show abnormal esophageal and gastric motility and emptying↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:09
quotethis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:09
opinionThe foregut problem is not really reflux; calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH babies do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus; surgical intervention for foregut issues is unusual and should be approached as palliation↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:10:40
opinionNissen fundoplication is a poor operation for CDH kids (like for esophageal atresia) because their motility is abnormal; if surgery is needed, use a partial wrap with gastrostomy and real drainage procedure (Jaboulay-Finney type, not Heineke-Mikulicz)↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:12:11
clinicalDr. Stolar's multidisciplinary CDH clinic follows 450-500 patients for life, addressing heart, lung, foregut, nutrition, neurodevelopmental, and axial skeleton issues that emerge over time↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis; he recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular endoscopic surveillance↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:13:57
clinicalCDH patients have increased incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism; early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues is recommended↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:14:09
clinicalAs a field defect, CDH causes asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distortion; some patients need Nuss-type operations to rebuild chest wall↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:14:29
clinicalSome CDH girls have no breast development on the hernia side as teenagers; combined Nuss operation and breast implant procedures have been performed↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients develop thoracolumbar scoliosis (not idiopathic scoliosis, as it's mostly in boys); early bracing programs help minimize this↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:15:16
clinicalCDH recurrence is related to tension on tissues and tissue quality; it's a tough problem whether tissue-to-tissue or prosthetic repair↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:17:35
clinicalRecurrence is more common with left-sided CDH than right because the liver plugs up the hole on the right↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:17:51
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is determining where hepatic veins drain; not infrequently they enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic IVC↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:18:09
clinicalIf hepatic veins enter the right atrium directly, attempting to reduce the liver into the abdomen will cause a troublesome moment; you should not try to put that liver in the abdomen↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:18:29
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH; the liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:19:11
clinicalMost patients with hepatopulmonary fusion don't survive; they often have associated severe congenital heart disease and IVC interruption with azygous continuation↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:19:48
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions; often need to be on both sides to figure out what's going on because the liver is in the way↗
▶Ep 5 · 1:20:12
clinicalFor right-sided CDH, can put a scope through an open thoracotomy to see around corners where the liver might come up against the heart↗
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 20 · 2:13
quoteThe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach.↗
▶Ep 20 · 2:13
quoteThe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach.↗
▶Ep 20 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies managed by community obstetricians.↗
▶Ep 20 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies managed by community obstetricians.↗
▶Ep 20 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 20 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 20 · 3:21
quoteI expect parents to leave with a sense of cautious optimism, not doom and gloom.↗
▶Ep 20 · 3:21
quoteI expect parents to leave with a sense of cautious optimism, not doom and gloom.↗
▶Ep 20 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is usually made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart.↗
▶Ep 20 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is usually made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart.↗
▶Ep 20 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side.↗
▶Ep 20 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side.↗
▶Ep 20 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation.↗
▶Ep 20 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation.↗
▶Ep 20 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency, not a surgical emergency.↗
▶Ep 20 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency, not a surgical emergency.↗
▶Ep 20 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section.↗
▶Ep 20 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section.↗
▶Ep 20 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best.↗
▶Ep 20 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best.↗
▶Ep 20 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability.↗
▶Ep 20 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability.↗
▶Ep 20 · 7:34
epidemiologicalMaybe 10-15% of babies diagnosed with CDH will benefit from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 20 · 7:34
epidemiologicalMaybe 10-15% of babies diagnosed with CDH will benefit from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 20 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest is of no prognostic value for CDH.↗
▶Ep 20 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest is of no prognostic value for CDH.↗
▶Ep 20 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio (LHR) is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8).↗
▶Ep 20 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio (LHR) is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8).↗
▶Ep 20 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis in CDH.↗
▶Ep 20 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis in CDH.↗
▶Ep 20 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers.↗
▶Ep 20 · 10:13
quoteIf you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 20 · 10:13
quoteIf you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 20 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers.↗
▶Ep 20 · 10:37
clinicalSteroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but their role in near-term CDH babies (37-39 weeks) is arguable.↗
▶Ep 20 · 10:37
clinicalSteroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but their role in near-term CDH babies (37-39 weeks) is arguable.↗
▶Ep 20 · 12:06
quoteThe short answer is I think that's nonsense.↗
▶Ep 20 · 12:06
opinionExit-to-ECMO for CDH is essentially moving the goalposts and deck chairs around on the Titanic for non-viable babies.↗
▶Ep 20 · 12:06
quoteThe short answer is I think that's nonsense.↗
▶Ep 20 · 12:06
opinionExit-to-ECMO for CDH is essentially moving the goalposts and deck chairs around on the Titanic for non-viable babies.↗
▶Ep 20 · 12:36
quoteWhat you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.↗
▶Ep 20 · 12:36
quoteWhat you're now doing is putting what in my view is almost certainly a non-viable baby on a heart lung machine and basically moving the goalposts and moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.↗
▶Ep 20 · 13:00
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth.↗
▶Ep 20 · 13:00
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth.↗
▶Ep 20 · 17:11
quoteECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen. So if the end organs are getting enough oxygen, then you're doing fine.↗
▶Ep 20 · 17:11
quoteECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen. So if the end organs are getting enough oxygen, then you're doing fine.↗
▶Ep 20 · 19:06
guidelineAll therapy for CDH should be guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal, because all babies have some degree of pulmonary hypertension with shunting.↗
▶Ep 20 · 19:06
guidelineAll therapy for CDH should be guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal, because all babies have some degree of pulmonary hypertension with shunting.↗
▶Ep 20 · 19:32
clinicalIf preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 of 65 torr), the brain is doing fine because this is fetal hemoglobin.↗
▶Ep 20 · 19:32
clinicalIf preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 of 65 torr), the brain is doing fine because this is fetal hemoglobin.↗
▶Ep 20 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today because they trash lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 20 · 21:38
quoteIf you ever wanted to find out if somebody tried to invent a neonatal ventilator today, they would throw it out as a lethal device because they will trash in the lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 20 · 21:38
quoteIf you ever wanted to find out if somebody tried to invent a neonatal ventilator today, they would throw it out as a lethal device because they will trash in the lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 20 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today because they trash lungs in a heartbeat.↗
▶Ep 20 · 21:56
guidelineCDH babies should not be paralyzed and should have minimal sedation to maintain spontaneous breathing.↗
▶Ep 20 · 21:56
guidelineCDH babies should not be paralyzed and should have minimal sedation to maintain spontaneous breathing.↗
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 20 · 24:38
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO.↗
▶Ep 20 · 24:50
quoteWhen I see them getting out the oscillator, I'll go prime a circuit. That's just how I think about it.↗
▶Ep 20 · 24:50
quoteWhen I see them getting out the oscillator, I'll go prime a circuit. That's just how I think about it.↗
▶Ep 20 · 25:45
clinicalNitric oxide is a waste of money for CDH babies; meta-analyses show it's terrific for premature babies with immature lung disease but of no value in CDH.↗
clinicalNitric oxide is a waste of money for CDH babies; meta-analyses show it's terrific for premature babies with immature lung disease but of no value in CDH.↗
guidelineECMO should not be used in babies under 36 weeks gestational age initially, though this has been pushed down to 35 weeks, maybe 34 weeks, with intracranial hemorrhage rates taking off below 32 weeks.↗
▶Ep 20 · 26:22
guidelineECMO should not be used in babies under 36 weeks gestational age initially, though this has been pushed down to 35 weeks, maybe 34 weeks, with intracranial hemorrhage rates taking off below 32 weeks.↗
▶Ep 20 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial perfusion cannula available is about 8 French, and resistance is related to both length and diameter, making adequate flow difficult in very small babies.↗
▶Ep 20 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial perfusion cannula available is about 8 French, and resistance is related to both length and diameter, making adequate flow difficult in very small babies.↗
▶Ep 20 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, the real risk for intracranial hemorrhage is the germinal matrix, which is usually OK by 35-36 weeks gestation, so it's gestational age that matters, not size.↗
▶Ep 20 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, the real risk for intracranial hemorrhage is the germinal matrix, which is usually OK by 35-36 weeks gestation, so it's gestational age that matters, not size.↗
guidelineThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is whether you can get out of ECMO with reasonable confidence if you get in—don't start something you can't finish.↗
▶Ep 20 · 29:10
guidelineThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is whether you can get out of ECMO with reasonable confidence if you get in—don't start something you can't finish.↗
▶Ep 20 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works, but in CDH the heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum.↗
▶Ep 20 · 30:27
clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works, but in CDH the heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum.↗
opinionVA bypass is essentially dialing in a PaO2, while VV ECMO is much more annoying with mixing, cannula position issues, and CDH babies are generally too unstable for VV.↗
▶Ep 20 · 31:53
opinionVA bypass is essentially dialing in a PaO2, while VV ECMO is much more annoying with mixing, cannula position issues, and CDH babies are generally too unstable for VV.↗
▶Ep 20 · 32:17
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful to prevent driving the arterial cannula out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein.↗
▶Ep 20 · 32:17
clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful to prevent driving the arterial cannula out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein.↗
▶Ep 20 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a very well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 20 · 33:01
quoteIf you drive it out the subclavian artery, you're going to have a very well perfused hand, and you think your preductal sats are looking really good, but the baby's not seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 20 · 33:01
quoteIf you drive it out the subclavian artery, you're going to have a very well perfused hand, and you think your preductal sats are looking really good, but the baby's not seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 20 · 33:01
clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a very well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen.↗
▶Ep 20 · 34:19
clinicalThe first few hours on ECMO can be unstable; hyperkalemia cardiac arrest can occur if blood isn't washed, but you just perfuse through it and give calcium.↗
▶Ep 20 · 34:19
clinicalThe first few hours on ECMO can be unstable; hyperkalemia cardiac arrest can occur if blood isn't washed, but you just perfuse through it and give calcium.↗
▶Ep 20 · 34:55
guidelineECMO flow should be slowly increased over 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to about 100-125 cc/kg/min (about 80% of cardiac output) to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence.↗
▶Ep 20 · 34:55
guidelineECMO flow should be slowly increased over 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to about 100-125 cc/kg/min (about 80% of cardiac output) to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence.↗
▶Ep 20 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test—turning FIO2 up to 1.0 on the ventilator while on ECMO—gives courage to begin weaning if the PaO2 rises, showing the baby can use their lungs.↗
▶Ep 20 · 36:34
clinicalThe hyperoxia test—turning FIO2 up to 1.0 on the ventilator while on ECMO—gives courage to begin weaning if the PaO2 rises, showing the baby can use their lungs.↗
▶Ep 20 · 38:18
guidelineFor babies stuck on ECMO at 2 weeks, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into back of head, turned into a prune) before considering on-ECMO repair.↗
▶Ep 20 · 38:18
guidelineFor babies stuck on ECMO at 2 weeks, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into back of head, turned into a prune) before considering on-ECMO repair.↗
▶Ep 20 · 39:14
clinicalThe problem in CDH is not that bowel is in the chest; the problem is growth arrest of the lungs that happened at 14-15 weeks gestation. Getting bowel out of the chest is not miraculous.↗
▶Ep 20 · 39:14
clinicalThe problem in CDH is not that bowel is in the chest; the problem is growth arrest of the lungs that happened at 14-15 weeks gestation. Getting bowel out of the chest is not miraculous.↗
▶Ep 20 · 39:20
quoteThe problem is not that the bowel is up in the chest. The problem is that there's been a growth arrest of the lungs. And just there's nothing miraculous about getting the bowel out of the chest.↗
▶Ep 20 · 39:20
quoteThe problem is not that the bowel is up in the chest. The problem is that there's been a growth arrest of the lungs. And just there's nothing miraculous about getting the bowel out of the chest.↗
▶Ep 20 · 40:37
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) make clot on ECMO. A platelet thrombus lasts 48-72 hours, giving a window to operate and get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 20 · 40:37
clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) make clot on ECMO. A platelet thrombus lasts 48-72 hours, giving a window to operate and get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 20 · 41:14
guidelinePreferred approach is to wean ECMO down to 20 cc/kg/min, do the operation, accept 1 day of post-op edema, then have 2-3 days to get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 20 · 41:14
guidelinePreferred approach is to wean ECMO down to 20 cc/kg/min, do the operation, accept 1 day of post-op edema, then have 2-3 days to get off ECMO before bleeding starts.↗
▶Ep 20 · 41:51
clinicalIf you take a baby off ECMO then operate, every patient gets stiff after surgery, pulmonary hypertension relapses, and you're talking about a second ECMO run.↗
▶Ep 20 · 41:51
clinicalIf you take a baby off ECMO then operate, every patient gets stiff after surgery, pulmonary hypertension relapses, and you're talking about a second ECMO run.↗
▶Ep 20 · 42:39
guidelineWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do it as an abdominal operation, use a patch with low threshold to avoid tension, place a Jackson-Pratt drain under the patch, and place a chest tube.↗
▶Ep 20 · 42:39
guidelineWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do it as an abdominal operation, use a patch with low threshold to avoid tension, place a Jackson-Pratt drain under the patch, and place a chest tube.↗
▶Ep 20 · 44:14
opinionFutility on ECMO starts to rear its head after about 2-3 weeks.↗
▶Ep 20 · 44:14
opinionFutility on ECMO starts to rear its head after about 2-3 weeks.↗
▶Ep 20 · 45:42
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby not requiring ECMO takes 3-4 days to wean to minimal ventilator settings (FIO2 0.4, conventional settings) before repair.↗
▶Ep 20 · 45:42
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby not requiring ECMO takes 3-4 days to wean to minimal ventilator settings (FIO2 0.4, conventional settings) before repair.↗
▶Ep 20 · 46:07
guidelineUse the infant ventilator instead of an anesthesia machine intraoperatively because infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and are not very compliant.↗
▶Ep 20 · 46:07
guidelineUse the infant ventilator instead of an anesthesia machine intraoperatively because infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and are not very compliant.↗
▶Ep 20 · 46:47
guidelineFor repair timing, three variables matter: pre/post-ductal gradient on pulse ox, right ventricle dilation on echo, and RV pressure versus LV pressure (RV should be no more than systemic).↗
▶Ep 20 · 46:47
guidelineFor repair timing, three variables matter: pre/post-ductal gradient on pulse ox, right ventricle dilation on echo, and RV pressure versus LV pressure (RV should be no more than systemic).↗
▶Ep 20 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach for CDH is gorgeous with a sparkling view, but the recurrence rate is really high—about 25% in under a year in Dr. Stolar's series of 35 stable kids.↗
▶Ep 20 · 48:32
clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach for CDH is gorgeous with a sparkling view, but the recurrence rate is really high—about 25% in under a year in Dr. Stolar's series of 35 stable kids.↗
▶Ep 20 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 20 · 48:32
quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
▶Ep 20 · 50:02
clinicalThe APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis came to a very similar conclusion about high thoracoscopic CDH recurrence rates.↗
▶Ep 20 · 50:02
clinicalThe APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis came to a very similar conclusion about high thoracoscopic CDH recurrence rates.↗
▶Ep 20 · 55:02
guidelineFor open CDH repair, need a real subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision), rotate the liver out of chest and abdomen, eviscerate bowel, and mobilize the posterior leaflet like unrolling a window shade down to rib.↗
▶Ep 20 · 55:02
guidelineFor open CDH repair, need a real subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision), rotate the liver out of chest and abdomen, eviscerate bowel, and mobilize the posterior leaflet like unrolling a window shade down to rib.↗
▶Ep 20 · 56:06
clinicalThe medial part of CDH repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta is hanging out with nothing to sew to.↗
▶Ep 20 · 56:06
clinicalThe medial part of CDH repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta is hanging out with nothing to sew to.↗
▶Ep 20 · 56:28
guidelineWhen there's no diaphragm to sew to medially, make an upside-down U-shaped incision on the pericardium and rotate that down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair.↗
▶Ep 20 · 56:28
guidelineWhen there's no diaphragm to sew to medially, make an upside-down U-shaped incision on the pericardium and rotate that down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair.↗
▶Ep 20 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike Vicryl which saws tissue.↗
▶Ep 20 · 57:16
opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike Vicryl which saws tissue.↗
▶Ep 20 · 57:59
guidelineFavor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex for patches, and anchor the patch to the ribs laterally by getting a needle around the rib.↗
▶Ep 20 · 57:59
guidelineFavor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex for patches, and anchor the patch to the ribs laterally by getting a needle around the rib.↗
▶Ep 20 · 58:43
guidelineMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out taking a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue.↗
▶Ep 20 · 58:43
guidelineMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out taking a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:00:23
guidelineFor thoracoscopic CDH repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and put solid organs (spleen or left liver lobe) in last to plug the hole and keep bowel down.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:00:23
guidelineFor thoracoscopic CDH repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and put solid organs (spleen or left liver lobe) in last to plug the hole and keep bowel down.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:04:16
guidelineIf you can see through the diaphragm tissue (it's nothing but pleura and peritoneum), resect it back to muscle for a fresh edge to sew together, or the plication will fail.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:04:16
guidelineIf you can see through the diaphragm tissue (it's nothing but pleura and peritoneum), resect it back to muscle for a fresh edge to sew together, or the plication will fail.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:06:31
quoteNeonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:06:31
quoteNeonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:06:47
guidelineThere is no indication for a chest tube in CDH except for active air leak or anticipated/active bleeding. The ipsilateral lung is small and won't fill the pleural space—that's how God made this lung.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:06:47
guidelineThere is no indication for a chest tube in CDH except for active air leak or anticipated/active bleeding. The ipsilateral lung is small and won't fill the pleural space—that's how God made this lung.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:07:13
clinicalA pneumothorax in CDH is a pneumothorax ex vacuo, not air under pressure. Putting in a chest tube on water seal suction will just distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:07:13
clinicalA pneumothorax in CDH is a pneumothorax ex vacuo, not air under pressure. Putting in a chest tube on water seal suction will just distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:08:54
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby will be crummy for about a day postoperatively, then get better and be extubated in 4-5 days and go home.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:08:54
clinicalThe typical stable CDH baby will be crummy for about a day postoperatively, then get better and be extubated in 4-5 days and go home.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:09:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the whole foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz. Everything—esophagus, stomach, gastric emptying—has abnormal motility.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:09:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the whole foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz. Everything—esophagus, stomach, gastric emptying—has abnormal motility.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:09:51
clinicalIf you do a GI series on CDH kids, the esophagus will be very dilated, ectatic, and abnormal-looking. Manometry and impedance manometry are abnormal.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:09:51
clinicalIf you do a GI series on CDH kids, the esophagus will be very dilated, ectatic, and abnormal-looking. Manometry and impedance manometry are abnormal.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:09
opinionIt's not really reflux in CDH—calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:09
quoteThis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:09
quoteThis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:09
opinionIt's not really reflux in CDH—calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH kids generally do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus. It's unusual to need surgical intervention for foregut dysmotility.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:28
clinicalCDH kids generally do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus. It's unusual to need surgical intervention for foregut dysmotility.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:36
guidelineWhen surgery is needed for CDH foregut dysmotility, approach it as palliation: some sort of fundoplication (not Nissen—it's fully competent on an abnormal-motility esophagus), combined with gastrostomy and a real drainage procedure like Jaboulay-Finney, not Heineke-Mikulicz.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:10:36
guidelineWhen surgery is needed for CDH foregut dysmotility, approach it as palliation: some sort of fundoplication (not Nissen—it's fully competent on an abnormal-motility esophagus), combined with gastrostomy and a real drainage procedure like Jaboulay-Finney, not Heineke-Mikulicz.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis and now recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular scoping for all CDH patients.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:13:18
clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis and now recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular scoping for all CDH patients.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:13:46
clinicalDr. Stolar's 1989-1990 paper showed most CDH kids turn out OK unless the mother had an 8th grade education and the child is a boy.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:13:46
clinicalDr. Stolar's 1989-1990 paper showed most CDH kids turn out OK unless the mother had an 8th grade education and the child is a boy.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:13:58
clinicalThere is an incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism in CDH survivors, prompting early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:13:58
clinicalThere is an incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism in CDH survivors, prompting early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:14:09
clinicalBecause CDH is a field defect, there's asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distorted chest wall growth requiring Nuss-type operations in some patients.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:14:09
clinicalBecause CDH is a field defect, there's asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distorted chest wall growth requiring Nuss-type operations in some patients.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:14:20
clinicalSome CDH girls as teenagers have no breast development on the side of the hernia, requiring Nuss operation and breast implant.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:14:20
clinicalSome CDH girls as teenagers have no breast development on the side of the hernia, requiring Nuss operation and breast implant.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients can develop non-idiopathic scoliosis (mostly in boys, not the typical idiopathic scoliosis in girls), requiring early bracing to minimize thoracolumbar scoliosis.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:14:34
clinicalCDH patients can develop non-idiopathic scoliosis (mostly in boys, not the typical idiopathic scoliosis in girls), requiring early bracing to minimize thoracolumbar scoliosis.↗
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is to ask echocardiographers where the hepatic veins drain, because they often enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic cava.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:17:51
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is to ask echocardiographers where the hepatic veins drain, because they often enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic cava.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:18:36
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH. The liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically. Most of these patients don't survive and often have severe congenital heart disease and IVC discontinuation.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:18:36
clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH. The liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically. Most of these patients don't survive and often have severe congenital heart disease and IVC discontinuation.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:19:48
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions because you often need to be on both sides. Start in the abdomen, but if the liver is in the way, make a counter-incision in the chest.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:19:48
guidelineFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions because you often need to be on both sides. Start in the abdomen, but if the liver is in the way, make a counter-incision in the chest.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:20:12
guidelineEven with an open thoracotomy, you can put a scope in to see around a corner without ugly retractors.↗
▶Ep 20 · 1:20:12
guidelineEven with an open thoracotomy, you can put a scope in to see around a corner without ugly retractors.↗
Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia with Dr. Charlie Stolar
▶Ep 32 · 2:13
quotethe most important understanding of the word doctor means to teach. It has nothing to do with healing, means to teach↗
▶Ep 32 · 2:45
epidemiologicalCDH occurs in approximately 1 out of every 3,000-4,000 pregnancies↗
▶Ep 32 · 3:11
quoteThe discussion begins with telling parents that the chances are they're going to raise an obnoxious teenager. That's sort of how this story usually ends.↗
▶Ep 32 · 3:37
clinicalCDH diagnosis is typically made at the 20-week anatomy scan when ultrasonographers see the stomach in the same cross-sectional plane as the heart↗
▶Ep 32 · 4:14
clinicalCDH represents a growth arrest of both lungs, with the ipsilateral side more severely affected than the contralateral side↗
▶Ep 32 · 4:23
clinicalAt birth, CDH lungs are affected by a mix of pulmonary hypoplasia and altered pulmonary vascular resistance with altered transitional circulation↗
▶Ep 32 · 4:39
clinicalCDH is a field defect; the most common neonatal comorbidity is foregut motility difficulty↗
▶Ep 32 · 5:00
clinicalCDH is a medical physiologic emergency but not a surgical emergency↗
▶Ep 32 · 5:24
guidelineThe diagnosis of CDH alone is not an indication for cesarean section; elective spontaneous vaginal delivery is recommended assuming no obstetric issues↗
▶Ep 32 · 6:35
opinionAntenatal interventions for CDH are no better than investigational and experimental at best↗
▶Ep 32 · 7:23
guidelineBabies with CDH should be born at a full-service children's facility with ECMO capability; maybe 10-15% will benefit from ECMO↗
▶Ep 32 · 8:31
clinicalIn single-center experiences, presence of liver in the chest or stomach in the chest is of no prognostic value↗
▶Ep 32 · 8:42
clinicalLung-to-head ratio is of limited prognostic value except when very low (less than 0.8), where prognosis is concerning↗
▶Ep 32 · 9:07
clinicalAssociated congenital heart disease and central nervous system abnormalities augur for poor prognosis↗
▶Ep 32 · 10:13
epidemiologicalIf shown 100 children with CDH, 80-85% will survive to become teenagers↗
▶Ep 32 · 10:13
quoteif you show me 100 children with diaphragmatic hernia, 80 to 85% are going to turn into obnoxious teenagers, and that's what I tell them.↗
▶Ep 32 · 10:37
clinicalAntenatal steroids have tremendous value for preterm labor under 35 weeks but most CDH babies are near-term (37-39 weeks) where steroid role is arguable↗
▶Ep 32 · 12:06
opinionExit to ECMO for CDH is nonsense; it moves the goalposts on almost certainly non-viable babies↗
clinicalWe are born with about 1/2 to 2/3 of our full complement of alveoli and can grow the balance sometime after birth↗
▶Ep 32 · 14:45
clinicalInitial evaluation of newborn with CDH includes looking for morphology, associated anomalies, respiratory distress, pre- and post-ductal oxygen gradients, and early cardiac echo for right heart function↗
▶Ep 32 · 15:55
clinicalNot every baby with CDH needs or is a candidate for ECMO; approximately 5% have insufficient lung to support life based on inability to saturate preductal blood↗
▶Ep 32 · 17:06
clinicalECMO is a drug delivery system for oxygen; indication is when end organs aren't getting enough oxygen despite best care↗
▶Ep 32 · 17:44
clinicalThe best way to assess end-organ function is urine output↗
▶Ep 32 · 18:21
guidelineECMO indication is typically oxygenation index in excess of 40 for 4 hours or more↗
▶Ep 32 · 19:06
clinicalAll therapy is guided by preductal oximetry, not postductal; if preductal saturation is 90% (PaO2 ~65 torr), the brain is doing fine with fetal hemoglobin↗
▶Ep 32 · 20:25
clinicalWhen managing dropping preductal saturation, first ensure adequate hemoglobin and circulating volume, then increase FiO2 or ventilator pressure, but avoid trying to control PCO2 as this will destroy the lungs↗
▶Ep 32 · 21:38
opinionNeonatal ventilators would be thrown out as lethal devices if someone tried to invent them today↗
▶Ep 32 · 21:56
clinicalCDH babies are not paralyzed during ventilation; minimal sedation is used and babies should be awake and breathing spontaneously↗
▶Ep 32 · 22:15
clinicalInitial conventional ventilator settings (IMV rate ~40, peak pressure 25-28, PEEP ~5) are not tolerated by most CDH babies↗
▶Ep 32 · 22:53
clinicalUnconventional ventilation mode for CDH uses high rate (100 breaths/min), low peak pressure (turned down to zero due to stacking), and high gas flow rate with permissive hypercapnia↗
▶Ep 32 · 24:30
clinicalHigh-frequency oscillatory ventilation (HFOV) as rescue therapy rarely spares CDH babies from ECMO; when they get out the oscillator, it's time to prime an ECMO circuit↗
▶Ep 32 · 24:30
quoteI often joke that when people say, how do you know when to set up an ECMO circuit with a diaphragmatic hernia, it's when they get out the oscillator.↗
▶Ep 32 · 25:45
opinionNitric oxide is a waste of money for CDH; it's terrific for premature babies with immature lung disease but of no value in CDH↗
quoteThe best drug for diaphragmatic hernia is oxygen.↗
▶Ep 32 · 26:22
clinicalECMO gestational age limit has been pushed from 36 weeks down to 35, maybe 34 weeks; below 32 weeks the intracranial hemorrhage rate takes off and neurologic outcomes become poor↗
▶Ep 32 · 27:40
clinicalThe smallest ECMO arterial cannula is about 8 French; getting adequate flow out of small cannulas is problematic due to resistance related to both length and diameter↗
▶Ep 32 · 28:15
clinicalFor ECMO candidacy, it's the gestational age that matters for intracranial hemorrhage risk (germinal matrix), not the size; size becomes an issue only when cannulas don't fit↗
▶Ep 32 · 28:45
clinicalThe broad principle for ECMO candidacy is: do you have a reversible condition? Can you get out with reasonable confidence once you start?↗
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clinicalVV ECMO is terrific if the heart works but problematic in CDH because heart function is often depressed and it's hard to get the cannula in with the shifted mediastinum↗
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clinicalVV ECMO is for less sick patients who aren't in extremis; most CDH babies are sicker and do better on VA ECMO↗
clinicalVA bypass is basically dialing in a PaO2; VV has mixing issues, cannula position concerns, and is more annoying to manage↗
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clinicalEcho guidance during ECMO cannulation is really helpful with the shifted mediastinum; the arterial cannula can go out the subclavian artery or the venous cannula into the innominate vein↗
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clinicalIf the arterial cannula goes out the subclavian artery, you'll have a well-perfused hand and think preductal sats look good, but the baby isn't seeing the oxygen↗
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clinicalUsing a guide wire to position the venous cannula into the right atrium is helpful when the mediastinum is distorted↗
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clinicalUse 3 stay sutures (5-0 Prolene, rubber-shod) to lift the venotomy and arteriotomy open to avoid shearing off the intima and creating a false passage↗
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clinicalIn the first hours on ECMO, hyperkalemia can cause cardiac arrest if blood isn't washed; just perfuse through it and give calcium↗
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clinicalECMO flow must be increased slowly over 45-90 minutes to reduce intracranial hemorrhage incidence↗
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clinicalTarget VA ECMO flow is 100-125 cc/kg/min, which is about 80% of cardiac output assuming an open duct↗
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clinicalAt target ECMO flow, preductal saturation will be good and mixed venous (from venous drainage) will come up to 65-70%↗
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clinicalRegular cardiac echos during ECMO weaning are important to assess right heart function, dilation, tricuspid regurgitation, and pulmonary outflow tract jet↗
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clinicalThe hyperoxia test (turning ventilator FiO2 up to 1.0) demonstrates if the baby can use their lungs; if PaO2 rises, it gives courage to begin weaning ECMO↗
clinicalFor babies unweanable from ECMO after 2+ weeks at high flow, ensure they are maximally dried out (bone dry, eyes sucked into head), making good urine, with good labs and chest X-ray before considering on-ECMO repair↗
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clinicalRepairing the hernia on ECMO is unusual to get you out of trouble; the problem is lung growth arrest at 14-15 weeks gestation, not that bowel is in the chest↗
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quoteThis is not a space occupying lesion is not the problem here↗
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clinicalHeparin inhibits conversion of fibrinogen to fibrin, so only platelets (beat-up ones) are making clot; platelet thrombus lifespan is 48-72 hours↗
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clinicalIf operating on ECMO, you have about 48-72 hours to decannulate before bleeding starts; operate when nearly weanable (20 cc/kg/min), expect 1 day of post-op deterioration, then 2-3 days to get off↗
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clinicalOperating off ECMO means the baby will get stiff post-operatively, pulmonary hypertension may relapse, and you risk needing a second ECMO run↗
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clinicalWhen operating on ECMO, load with Amicar preoperatively, do abdominal approach, use low threshold for patch to avoid tension, place Jackson-Pratt drain under patch, and place chest tube↗
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clinicalFutility on ECMO begins to rear its head after 2-3 weeks; it becomes easier to discuss withdrawal if there's been a CNS event like intracranial hemorrhage↗
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clinicalFor non-ECMO babies, repair timing is when they're on minimal ventilator settings (FiO2 0.4, conventional settings), which typically takes 3-4 days↗
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clinicalUse the infant ventilator instead of anesthesia machine intraoperatively; infant anesthesia machines have high dead space and aren't very compliant↗
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clinicalAnesthesia can be all intravenous (muscle relaxants and narcotics); you don't need an anesthesia machine↗
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clinicalPre-repair assessment includes pre/post-ductal gradient, echo showing RV not dilated, RV pressure no more than systemic (not super-systemic), acceptable tricuspid regurgitation, and acceptable pulmonary outflow tract acceleration times↗
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clinicalPerioperative antibiotics (typically ampicillin-gentamicin) are given because a patch may be placed in a newborn↗
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clinicalThe thoracoscopic approach provides a gorgeous view and often the bowel reduces with chest insufflation, but only rock-stable kids are candidates because you're creating a tension pneumothorax in a potentially hypercapnic baby↗
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quoteThe thoracoscopic approach is gorgeous. It is just a gorgeous view.↗
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clinicalIn Dr. Stolar's series of 35 thoracoscopic CDH repairs in stable babies, recurrence rate was about 25% in under a year; APSA outcomes committee meta-analysis reached similar conclusions↗
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opinionLaparoscopic CDH repair is problematic because the scaphoid abdomen has loss of abdominal domain; insufflating just puts air up in the chest↗
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quoteI was very disappointed at our own data because I thought the scope approach was gorgeous.↗
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clinicalFor open repair, key is adequate subcostal incision (not a small two-finger incision); rotate liver out of chest and abdomen to see the defect↗
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clinicalCritical repair points are all medial where structures with names are located; mobilize posterior leaflet by unrolling it like a window shade down to the body wall until you feel rib↗
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clinicalThe medial repair is hardest because sometimes the esophagus or aorta hangs out with nothing to sew to; use an upside-down U-shaped pericardial flap rotated down to where the diaphragm would be to begin the repair↗
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opinionFavor monofilament suture (like PDS) because it doesn't saw through tissue when pulled, unlike braided suture like Vicryl↗
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clinicalFor patches, favor non-biologic material like 1mm Gore-Tex; laterally, anchor the patch to the ribs by getting a needle around the rib and into the patch↗
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clinicalMake the patch somewhat balloon-shaped with redundancy so the baby doesn't rip sutures out with a deep breath; over time it gets incorporated into fibrous tissue↗
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clinicalFor thoracoscopic repair, use 3 ports (4mm camera with 30-degree lens, 3mm neonatal instruments), insufflation peak pressure 5-7 cm (no more), and reduce spleen last as it obturates the hole and keeps bowel in the belly↗
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clinicalThoracoscopically, mobilizing the posterior leaflet is difficult because it's rolled into the abdomen and hard to see around the corner↗
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clinicalFor thoracoscopic patch placement, use extracorporeal-intracorporeal suture technique: come from outside through skin around rib into patch and back out, tie externally, and bury the knot under the skin↗
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clinicalIf you can see through the diaphragm (it's just pleura and peritoneum with no muscle), resect it back to something that looks like muscle; plication of see-through tissue will fail↗
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quoteneonatal nurses, they pee around their isolate to mark their territory.↗
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clinicalThe ipsilateral lung is small and not as big as the pleural space; that's how God made this lung. You won't inflate the lung to fill the chest↗
clinicalThe pleural space will be obliterated either slowly by lung growth over 3-4 years or by filling with fluid; it's not a pneumothorax under pressure, it's pneumothorax ex vacuo↗
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clinicalChest tube on water-seal suction will distort the mediastinum and precipitate a pulmonary hypertensive crisis; there's no reason to put in a chest tube unless there's active air leak or bleeding↗
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clinicalTypical stable post-op CDH baby will be unstable for about a day with increased ventilator requirements, then improve and get extubated in 4-5 days↗
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clinicalCDH is a field defect affecting the entire foregut from pharynx to ligament of Treitz; these kids have disordered motility throughout↗
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clinicalAll CDH patients should have a GI series showing dilated, ectatic, abnormal esophagus; manometry and impedance show abnormal esophageal and gastric motility and emptying↗
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opinionThe foregut problem is not really reflux; calling it reflux has suckered surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties that are basically torture↗
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quotethis business about calling it reflux has suckered all kinds of surgeons into doing fundoplications and pyloroplasties and all kinds of stuff in these kids that basically is torture.↗
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clinicalCDH babies do well with continuous feedings slowly condensed to bolus; surgical intervention for foregut issues is unusual and should be approached as palliation↗
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opinionNissen fundoplication is a poor operation for CDH kids (like for esophageal atresia) because their motility is abnormal; if surgery is needed, use a partial wrap with gastrostomy and real drainage procedure (Jaboulay-Finney type, not Heineke-Mikulicz)↗
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clinicalDr. Stolar's multidisciplinary CDH clinic follows 450-500 patients for life, addressing heart, lung, foregut, nutrition, neurodevelopmental, and axial skeleton issues that emerge over time↗
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clinicalDr. Stolar has 4 CDH teenagers with Barrett's esophagitis; he recommends lifelong proton pump inhibitors and regular endoscopic surveillance↗
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clinicalCDH patients have increased incidence of attention deficit disorders and autism; early intervention for neuropsychiatric issues is recommended↗
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clinicalAs a field defect, CDH causes asymmetric chest growth leading to pectus-like distortion; some patients need Nuss-type operations to rebuild chest wall↗
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clinicalSome CDH girls have no breast development on the hernia side as teenagers; combined Nuss operation and breast implant procedures have been performed↗
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clinicalCDH patients develop thoracolumbar scoliosis (not idiopathic scoliosis, as it's mostly in boys); early bracing programs help minimize this↗
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clinicalCDH recurrence is related to tension on tissues and tissue quality; it's a tough problem whether tissue-to-tissue or prosthetic repair↗
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clinicalRecurrence is more common with left-sided CDH than right because the liver plugs up the hole on the right↗
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clinicalFor right-sided CDH, the most important consideration is determining where hepatic veins drain; not infrequently they enter directly into the right atrium, not the suprahepatic IVC↗
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clinicalIf hepatic veins enter the right atrium directly, attempting to reduce the liver into the abdomen will cause a troublesome moment; you should not try to put that liver in the abdomen↗
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clinicalHepatopulmonary fusion actually exists in right-sided CDH; the liver and lung are fused and cannot be separated surgically↗
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clinicalMost patients with hepatopulmonary fusion don't survive; they often have associated severe congenital heart disease and IVC interruption with azygous continuation↗
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clinicalFor right-sided CDH, prep the baby for both thoracic and abdominal incisions; often need to be on both sides to figure out what's going on because the liver is in the way↗
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clinicalFor right-sided CDH, can put a scope through an open thoracotomy to see around corners where the liver might come up against the heart↗