Ron Herschel
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sit on your hands, don't put lines, don't put chest tubes unless you have to. If they're physiologically compromised or you really think that it's, it's compromising their gas exchange, uh, or their ability to come off ECMO and so on, fine. But we've had plenty of chest tubes we placed. You put a chest tube in, I would say about half the time, you're going to end up doing a thoracotomy because of bleeding.
VV is, is markedly preferred. The, the best approach is to go VV unless you have specific reasons why you. Need to go VA.
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VA ECMO offloads the right heart and increases afterload of the left heart with no recirculation
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VV ECMO provides normal left ventricular afterload and reduced risk for systemic emboli compared to VA ECMO
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VV is, is markedly preferred. The, the best approach is to go VV unless you have specific reasons why you. Need to go VA.
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VV ECMO is markedly preferred over VA ECMO unless there are specific reasons requiring VA support
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the stroke rate is about 5%. Um, if you cannulate the carotid, but look, the stroke rate, if you don't cannulate the carotid, is only about 1% less. Oh, so maybe it's not necessarily about where you cannulate, but the fact that these patients are just very sick and they have high stroke rates.
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High stroke rates in ECMO patients may be related to patient illness severity rather than specifically to carotid cannulation
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In critically ill patients requiring ECMO, it is more important to achieve rapid cannulation and stabilization than to avoid carotid access
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you have someone who's really sick, OK? Don't mess around. Because you can sit there messing around trying to knock can at the carotid when, when the best thing for them is to get on VA bypass and get them stabilized.
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At University of Michigan, for VA ECMO in children less than 35 kg, carotid-IJ cannulation is used
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For patients over 35 kg requiring VA ECMO, femoral cannulation or carotid-IJ may be used, though VV is still preferred when possible
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Subclavian access for ECMO is used routinely by many adult practitioners and is better tolerated than femoral access because the arm tolerates ischemia better than the leg
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We actually, in older patients, will do um a posterior tibial artery, and we do it routinely.
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Posterior tibial artery cannulation is performed routinely in older patients at University of Michigan to prevent limb ischemia
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Alternative techniques for preventing limb ischemia include placing a side graft onto the femoral artery or using subclavian artery access
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For VV ECMO using separate femoral and IJ cannulas, the M-bridge configuration (draining from femoral, reinfusing into atrial) minimizes recirculation
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The Avalon catheter requires placement of the distal tip into the inferior vena cava, which is not easy and requires getting a wire into the IVC
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When chest tube placement leads to bleeding in ECMO patients, management involves packing the chest and leaving it open
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Approximately 50% of chest tubes placed in ECMO patients result in bleeding requiring thoracotomy
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Chest tubes should not be placed in ECMO patients with pneumothorax unless the patient is physiologically compromised or gas exchange is affected
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sit on your hands, don't put lines, don't put chest tubes unless you have to. If they're physiologically compromised or you really think that it's, it's compromising their gas exchange, uh, or their ability to come off ECMO and so on, fine. But we've had plenty of chest tubes we placed. You put a chest tube in, I would say about half the time, you're going to end up doing a thoracotomy because of bleeding.
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Ron Herschel summarizing a resource: In a registry of 30,000 patients, stroke rate with carotid cannulation is about 5%, compared to about 4% without carotid cannulation
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Ron Herschel summarizing a resource: even with a distal profusion cannula, they ended up in 9/11. 11 having ischemia.
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Ron Herschel summarizing a resource: In a study of femoral artery cannulation in patients aged 2-22 years, 9 out of 11 patients developed limb ischemia even with distal perfusion cannula
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